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triplez Posted: 11-07-2004 12:59 AM | Locked

Today I had a meeting with weehyong today at NUS. Weehyong came up with a few good suggestions and one of them is an Outreach Programme.

This is to give some short workshops on introducing .net technology to schools and having some "mini" roadshows in schools to promote sgdotnet. The idea isn't really finalised yet as it's still in the imaginary stage where it's a good idea but how it's going to be done will be another thing altogether which I have to figure out.

So I would like some suggestions from you guys out there what you think of this. I'm looking more to attract students who are truly interested in furthering their interest in learning .net to attend our user group meetings. Definitely we're still going to keep our usergroup meeting to very specialised and hopefully technical enough. More the intermediate to advance level. Definitely not for beginners.

Workshops and roadshows will spread the word of .Net technology and of SgDotNet. As I mentioned to Kitkai the other day, what I really want is to dig up some gold from the students side, because they are potential active users. I feel students have the potential to further grow and make this community vibrant and active. But definitely a small handful of those interested in knowing more advanced stuff.

What do you guys think?

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microlau replied on 11-07-2004 1:09 AM | Locked

Wah, evangelists? Solid idea, good chance for me to brush up on my presentations skills and spread the love of development to all the new blood.

I'm all for the idea.

Well, on the other hand, I'm concerned about resource issue. We do not have many members who have time to offer their help. Now, I think we could do some tieup with some of the independent schools (if you need contacts, I can try to get ACS). 

See what the rest says... 

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triplez replied on 11-07-2004 1:24 AM | Locked
Weehyong can get me contacts to the polytechnics, and of course hopefully NUS too. I might need to talk to Weiming soon enough to see how his plans for NP can work out for sgdotnet too.

ACS? *hmm* I'm not too sure how secondary schools might really help. Do we really want to go into that area? Cuz I know poly students and university students are quite the gold mine. I'm not too sure whether secondary school students would really be that interested in development yet.
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microlau replied on 11-07-2004 1:35 AM | Locked
Sures..forgive me...My brain's not really working while I'm typing the post

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weehyong replied on 11-07-2004 2:12 AM | Locked
 microlau wrote:
Well, on the other hand, I'm concerned about resource issue. We do not have many members who have time to offer their help. Now, I think we could do some tieup with some of the independent schools (if you need contacts, I can try to get ACS). 


I think for a start, the core group in sgdotnet can help to spread the message, and spread the .net message in small informal gathering where the aim is to:

1) Introduce sgdotnet as the community they should go to for .net related issues
2) Let the members feel the "pulse" of .net through cool demonstrations, etc

Something like "Guess which tertiary institution" would sgdotnet be this month might help maintain the interest. sgdotnet could come up with a calendar where we visit one school each month.. this helps to convert more developers into believing that .net way is THE way to go.

This could lead to a quiz on sgdotnet website each month.. winners get a sgdotnet t-shirt???
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jieke replied on 11-07-2004 12:43 PM | Locked
 triplez wrote:


This is to give some short workshops on introducing .net technology to schools and having some "mini" roadshows in schools to promote sgdotnet. The idea isn't really finalised yet as it's still in the imaginary stage where it's a good idea but how it's going to be done will be another thing altogether which I have to figure out.


Will there be anyone to answer the students' questions regarding their projects?
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icelava replied on 11-07-2004 9:15 PM | Locked
 jieke wrote:
Will there be anyone to answer the students' questions regarding their projects?
While this should remain informal and unofficial, a direct channel where students can seek .NET guidance and assistance from industry professionals would be a great resource, I reckon.

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kitkai replied on 11-07-2004 9:18 PM | Locked
 microlau wrote:
Sures..forgive me...My brain's not really working while I'm typing the post

Not true... acs got a few students freelancing in internet projects. I have seen one of their work... It's not bad...
Microlau, maybe we should find one day and pay a visit to Mr Song.

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triplez replied on 11-07-2004 9:45 PM | Locked
That would be good. Go ahead and do what you must, but keep us all updated. Smile
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microlau replied on 11-08-2004 9:09 AM | Locked
 kitkai wrote:


Microlau, maybe we should find one day and pay a visit to Mr Song.


Oh...Good idea. We could start from our poly first..

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triplez replied on 11-08-2004 11:55 AM | Locked

One thing I must tell you guys, as I told kitkai the other day, we're not a helpdesk community where we readily answer student's questions of their project.

What we can do through these roadshows are to promote .net technology, and furthermore tell them that if they want to know more about .net, to further their knowledge and learn more advanced topics, sgdotnet is the place for you. That's what we want to convey to the students, and not that we're a helpdesk for your projects.

Response might be low, but what we really want to do is sift out those with real potential to further themselves and we can be a place to nurture this interest and potential to bring it to another stage.

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xtreme.net replied on 11-08-2004 1:40 PM | Locked
great idea.....Stick out tongueStick out tongue

count me in....[8-|]

I always wanted to do something like that[8-|].... roadshows and mini demos should be great...

however, as mentioned by triplez, we should project a clear view of us not being a helpdesk community....

so what's the plan? [8-|]
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icelava replied on 11-08-2004 6:22 PM | Locked
 triplez wrote:
What we can do through these roadshows are to promote .net technology, and furthermore tell them that if they want to know more about .net, to further their knowledge and learn more advanced topics, sgdotnet is the place for you. That's what we want to convey to the students, and not that we're a helpdesk for your projects.
I need you guys to help me clarify my doubt and uncertainty on this.

Definitely, I'm not about to advertise myself as free techsupport better than what you'll ever get out of paid vendor support. How do i justify, even to myself, working full-time for that?

But, if we are market, evangelise, and promote the use of .NET, and that we the SgDotNet community, is the place to come to, and then clearly say don't look for us when you encounter problems after making firm decisions, due to our influence, to commence with .NET development, then what are students supposed to learn to exactly? I can only predict a slew of cries for help as young ones in their ignorance struggle to meet up to the demands of the .NET development environment and platform.

Does anybody else see the dichotomy in this? Unless i've gravely mistaken the purpose of this outreach exercise, where the main goal is to "recruit" students with great potential who can contribute to our vision?

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xtreme.net replied on 11-08-2004 6:30 PM | Locked
IMHO, wat triplez is tryin to say is that they must not ask us to do their homework..
i am sure all of us have been to other forum sites and have seen poly or uni student cutting and pasting their homeworks on the forum.
(Sometimes they are lucky enough to get some kind sould to do it for them)
I dont think this is right...
but hey, that's just my opinion...[8-|]
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triplez replied on 11-08-2004 7:06 PM | Locked

Let me try to clarify this.

What they learn from school is usually the 101s series, which is something like "HOW DO I CREATE AN ASP.NET WEBSITE?" and stuff similar to that. I rather let those questions be handled by schools.

What I want to focus on is usually students who really want to further themselves in learning outside what is taught in the classroom, for example Agile Development, Build Systems, WSE 2.0, Application Blocks, O/R, Aspect Programming, Patterns and Practises, and so on. We can do a "short" soft introduction to these topics to wet their tastebuds for those who are interested, encourage them to further their explorations through links we can provide, or our own opinions and discussions which will benefit everyone. What we want to do is to promote .Net technology, more advanced topics, best practises to doing things, tips and tricks, workarounds.

One of the interesting things I always encounter with students is that they usually have many weird ideas that might work and sometimes are quite fantastically unique and uncalled for, and come up with interesting topics to discuss about. It's usually because of their ignorance that they're not enclosed to a fixed sphere we all might be in right now, which restricts our creativity.

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